RxForSuccess Podcast- David G. Armstrong: The Storyteller

What a pleasure to participate with master interviewer Dr. Randy Cook in this great visit on the Rxforsuccess podcast.

Life Changing Moments – Rethinking Autonomy: A New Framework for Physician Fulfillment with Dr. Mark Greenawald – Rx for Success Podcast

What do physicians really mean when they say, "I just don't have enough autonomy anymore"? Is autonomy something we either have or don't have? Is more always better? Or is the issue more complex than we've assumed? In this thought-provoking episode of Life Changing Moments, host Dr. Dael Waxman is joined by Dr. Mark Greenawald—professor, vice chair of Family and Community Medicine at Carilion Clinic, medical director of the Carilion Clinic Institute for Leadership Effectiveness, and a fellow coach and teacher at the Healthcare Coaching Institute. Together, they challenge one of medicine's most common assumptions and offer a richer, more nuanced framework for understanding autonomy. Drawing from their recent series of articles in Family Practice Management, Dale and Mark explore the six domains of autonomy—clinical, operational, ethical, economic, policy, and interpersonal—and explain why autonomy lives on a continuum, not a binary. They discuss how your "sweet spot" shifts across seasons of your career and life, why autonomy can become a "trigger word" for administrators, and the liberating paradox that by giving up some autonomy, you often gain more influence. Mark also shares his powerful coaching tool—pause, turn down the volume, and get curious—for anyone feeling their autonomy has been stripped away. Key Topics Discussed: Dael's personal story of being "shut down" after raising autonomy at a physician leadership retreat. Why autonomy has become a "buzzword" and a "trigger word" for administrators. The six domains of autonomy: Clinical – making clinical decisions in and beyond the exam room. Operational – influencing schedules, benefits, and workflow. Ethical – practicing in alignment with your values. Economic – controlling the business and compensation aspects. Policy – influencing organizational policies and procedures. Interpersonal – having a say in who you work with. Why autonomy lives on a continuum—and why more autonomy means more risk and responsibility. How your ideal spot on the continuum changes across seasons of life and career. The mismatch problem: when what you need economically conflicts with what you want operationally. Why the training model still primes physicians for independence, even as 90% of graduates enter employed practice. The developmental arc of residency: survival → identity → independence → interdependence. The paradox of autonomy: by being a team player and helping shape culture, you often gain more influence. Why operational autonomy is the most common source of frustration for employed physicians. "Treat me like an adult": the importance of sharing the why behind organizational decisions. Mark's three-part coaching tool: Pause, Turn Down the Volume, Get Curious. The difference between "What do you want?" and "What do you need?" Why physicians—who are trained as helpers—often struggle to acknowledge their own needs. Guest Information: Dr. Mark Greenawald, MD – Professor and Vice Chair, Department of Family and Community Medicine, Carilion Clinic; Medical Director, Carilion Clinic Institute for Leadership Effectiveness; Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine Articles in Family Practice Management: "How to Be Well Employed" (2022); Autonomy series (late 2025–2026) Dr. Dael Waxman, Physician Coach, MD Coaches – Host, Life Changing Moments Relevant Links: MD Coaches: mymdcoaches.com Family Practice Management – Articles by Dr. Mark Greenawald and Dr. Jason Marker Healthcare Coaching Institute Companion podcast: Rx for Success with Dr. Randy Cook
  1. Life Changing Moments – Rethinking Autonomy: A New Framework for Physician Fulfillment with Dr. Mark Greenawald
  2. 220. The Author: Dr. Stuart Slavin, MD, MEd
  3. Life Changing Moments – Coaching Human Factors: Saving Cognitive Energy in Medicine with Dr. Sachiko Kaizuka
  4. 219. The OBGYN: George Nowacek, MD
  5. Life Changing Moments – Coaching Physician Moms: Small Shifts, Big Impact with Dr. Cindy Van Praag

Dr. Armstrong’s Prescription for Success:

Number 1: Folks don’t care how much you know, until they know how much you care: Show a sincere interest in the person in front of you, not just their problem..

Number 2: Don’t be a what I call a kiss up, kick down kind of person: Be the leader who knows the name of everyone that he or she sees when he or she is walking into work. Those interactions, those relationships are ultimately the most meaningful.

Number 3: Don’t procrastinate: Run your list and if you can get something done now, get it done now.

Number 4: Hard things are hard for a reason: Just because something is hard, doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile. If given the choice between doing that thing that’s hard and clocking out for the day, do the thing that’s hard and you’ll grow because you did.

Number 5: The best gift you can give anyone, besides your love, is perspective: Periodically, step back and try to regard what you’re doing. No matter how great your work, if you regard what you’re doing, you’ll find little bits and pieces you can tweak.

Number 6: Be a collector of mentors and learn from them: Pay them respect by seeking their advice and guidance.

Connect with Dr. Armstrong:

Email: armstrong@usa.net

Website: diabeticfootonline.com

Faculty website: https://keck.usc.edu/faculty-search/david-g-armstrong/

Notable Quotes from Dr. Armstrong’s interview

The greatest gift you can give people is to make them feel better.

A lot of the work we do in tissue repair and wound healing and limb preservation is treating people that do not have the gift of pain. So a lot of times, our success is often measured in millimeters and over months and years, not just in that one patient visit.

Nothing ruins a good surgery, like follow up.

I think, ultimately, we’re not judged by how many manuscripts we’ve written, how many lectures we’ve given and how many countries? How many cylinders are in our car, how many dollars are in our bank account, or how much money we’ve gotten in grants. All that’s great, and it’s fun to keep score on that stuff. But ultimately, it’s a fleeting thing. I think we’re judged by our personal progeny, both your children and your professional progeny.

There’s plenty of feet to go around.

(On Fellowship) How’d you like to make one fifth the amount of money, but five times the difference?

My greatest mentor is my wife.

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